tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10325967.post161120454396773964..comments2023-08-09T09:44:13.292-04:00Comments on Reality by Evidence: Logic Rules Out the Christian GodJerry Wilsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05466226925773904805noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10325967.post-19941979207518075692010-01-02T23:44:51.677-05:002010-01-02T23:44:51.677-05:00E=mc2 folks, so name your poison; either way, eter...E=mc2 folks, so name your poison; either way, eternity is part of the big picture, whether a Creator set the whole shebang in motion, or no Creator exists. We humans like to make sense of our world, i.e., why things happen. In our history, the hard to understand was attributed to a higher being or beings, who need not play by our rules. And isn't that what all this discussion is about - the searcher1https://www.blogger.com/profile/08158137585055438201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10325967.post-50907890940467566112009-11-20T19:52:44.502-05:002009-11-20T19:52:44.502-05:00That is precisely how some theologians get around ...That is precisely how some theologians get around the "omniscience" problem. God knows everything that is possible to know. The more conservative Christians would say that God is above the laws of physics, thus they are stuck with omniscience. It doesn't seem to bother them.Jerry Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05466226925773904805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10325967.post-81742401333023018982009-11-20T16:56:48.053-05:002009-11-20T16:56:48.053-05:00The notion of "omniscience" is suspect o...The notion of "omniscience" is suspect on so many levels, based on modern science, that it seems to me we can regard it as a fairy tale per se. According to quantum mechanics, there are states of matter about which it is completely impossible to make definite statements as to their observable properties. There is inherent, complementary uncertainty between the momentum and position of aguyberlinerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01841568990121235366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10325967.post-59660377755684695142009-11-02T14:35:34.175-05:002009-11-02T14:35:34.175-05:00Jerry,
The "literal" meaning of atheism ...Jerry,<br />The "literal" meaning of atheism is not what we/I have been discussing here. The literature from the last century would indicate that atheism in society has a smorgasbord of belief categories. They have been variously defined by writers and philosophers with terminology like negative, positive, strong, weak, intrinsic and extrinsic, practical, theoretical, etc. These Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08277327518487610067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10325967.post-72758308181953991102009-11-01T08:19:22.692-05:002009-11-01T08:19:22.692-05:00David,
The problem you have with your assumption ...David,<br /><br />The problem you have with your assumption that God is outside of time because he created it lies in the act of creation. In order to create something, the creator had to exist prior to the creation. "Prior" implies time. If there is no before and no after, then there is no time. Therefore, time itself cannot be created, because that would imply there would have to be Jerry Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05466226925773904805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10325967.post-50080869324896340162009-11-01T01:16:12.070-05:002009-11-01T01:16:12.070-05:00I don't claim to be a logical genius, I just h...I don't claim to be a logical genius, I just happen to study my Bible a lot. I couldn't help but notice that the answer to a lot of your questions seem to revolve around God being bound by time.<br /><br />The problem is that God is not bound by time, and don't shut me off there because I read your whole article and I realize you addressed it, but you neglected to mention the reason Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07896312771010965028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10325967.post-53963322228878153492009-10-30T17:35:19.910-04:002009-10-30T17:35:19.910-04:00John,
I think you are not clear on what atheism me...John,<br />I think you are not clear on what atheism means. Atheism is not a belief, but a lack of belief. It literally means "without belief in god." That is not the same thing as saying that I believe there is no god. I stick to my original contention that I doubt that there is a god, but I don't know for sure. I am open to the possibility; I just require more evidence.<br /><br /Jerry Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05466226925773904805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10325967.post-22348973936919447002009-10-30T08:55:39.488-04:002009-10-30T08:55:39.488-04:00Jerry,
Please let me say that your arguments are w...Jerry,<br />Please let me say that your arguments are well reasoned as far as they go. The do limit themselves to rather low level logical premises that are what might be termed proletarian or pedestrian arguments. You are correct in many of your observations in this and other of your articles about the illogical and contradictory nature of biblical statements and the many different takes that Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08277327518487610067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10325967.post-20309017396324855022009-09-03T23:44:22.951-04:002009-09-03T23:44:22.951-04:00i would argue that you are making the assumption t...i would argue that you are making the assumption that god has free will. god does not have free will. he MUST always be consistent with himself and his own nature, there is no other possibility. god does not change. he is not a robot because no one is making him do things and he was not created. robots cant question their last programing or question their own existence, there is no question Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11139073165125438492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10325967.post-66184649471711884762009-07-25T19:21:04.425-04:002009-07-25T19:21:04.425-04:00Diego. Interesting points. I guess maybe I should ...Diego. Interesting points. I guess maybe I should have specified which Christian god I meant, since there is not even agreement among Christians as to what God is like.Jerry Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05466226925773904805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10325967.post-60581811610916236182009-07-25T13:06:06.005-04:002009-07-25T13:06:06.005-04:00You say that "Logic Rules out the Christian G...You say that "Logic Rules out the Christian God". Several points needs to be made against your argument and why it is fallacious. <br /> - You misrepresent "the Christian God" by misrepresenting what that bible says about God, i.e. erecting a straw man argument or missing the point, therefore your arguments do not apply. It is written God is all powerful, God chooses who goes Diego Vasquezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13329080772952151372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10325967.post-35082672370534850412009-07-15T22:52:32.432-04:002009-07-15T22:52:32.432-04:00Celeste,
I don't disagree with your premise th...Celeste,<br />I don't disagree with your premise that God might be in a different dimensional plain. But so what. Regardless of HOW he knows what all our choices are going to be, if he does know them, then we really don't have the choices, in the sense that our future has already been determined, whether by us or by God. If God knows it in advance, it has already been determined, because Jerry Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05466226925773904805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10325967.post-42781380972644025782009-07-15T20:09:59.757-04:002009-07-15T20:09:59.757-04:00Free will and an omniscient God are not mutually e...Free will and an omniscient God are not mutually exclusive concepts. The best way to understand this is to think of it in terms of dimensions. Christians believe that their God transcends the dimension of time. Humans are bound by this dimension, but God is not. We make decisions and choices throughout our lives, but God knows the outcome because he is not bound by past or present since he Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00879226428231279330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10325967.post-61601259709337706462009-05-24T18:39:41.214-04:002009-05-24T18:39:41.214-04:00sophist! casuist!sophist! casuist!Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10207553174724343879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10325967.post-17112141169329218252009-05-07T14:10:00.000-04:002009-05-07T14:10:00.000-04:00Well stated, Jerry. I agree.Well stated, Jerry. I agree.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13712912932984011087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10325967.post-18723893186577391262009-05-04T20:08:00.000-04:002009-05-04T20:08:00.000-04:00Wilma,
I posit that logic is not "man-made" in the...Wilma,<br />I posit that logic is not "man-made" in the since that cheese is man-made. It is something that existed, like mathematics. Humans just discovered how to use it.Jerry Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05466226925773904805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10325967.post-67157643744612929712009-05-01T15:38:00.000-04:002009-05-01T15:38:00.000-04:00Your statement, :" An omniscient god knows everyth...Your statement, :" An omniscient god knows everything – past, present, and future. If he knows everything, he already knows every decision he is ever going to make. If he already knows every decision, he cannot change his mind about them." Is a flawed statement. God also has Free Will, and CAN change his mind about a decision. Ergo, since this is a premise on which you base your argument on, Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10890614904020573559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10325967.post-85156242591916983592009-05-01T15:37:00.000-04:002009-05-01T15:37:00.000-04:00Your statement, :" An omniscient god knows everyth...Your statement, :" An omniscient god knows everything – past, present, and future. If he knows everything, he already knows every decision he is ever going to make. If he already knows every decision, he cannot change his mind about them." Is a flawed statement. God also has Free Will, and CAN change his mind about a decision. Ergo, since this is a premise on which you base your argument on, Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10890614904020573559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10325967.post-91019331385967201342009-04-29T17:07:00.000-04:002009-04-29T17:07:00.000-04:00"...If A is less than B and B is less than C then ..."...If A is less than B and B is less than C then A must be greater than C..."<br /><br />Doesn't this assume an undefinable limitation? I mean ABC is a sequence...however, only to a few people, races, cultures. So what if the sequence is different or even non existent. how do we assume that what we know is all there is? That said...<br /><br />How do we know that our definition of omniscence, Wilmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01921800371875342171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10325967.post-65357759761406537502009-04-26T17:30:00.000-04:002009-04-26T17:30:00.000-04:00Seems pretty fail-proof to me. But now I have a he...Seems pretty fail-proof to me. But now I have a headache. lolShanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536966974627752054noreply@blogger.com